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Posting Methods 
27th-Aug-2010 04:30 pm
the marauder era
This is a quick poll about posting methods. It seems that many (or most) of the authors would like to have their stories on their own journal so that they can keep all their comments in the same place. However, to give the readers the best experience possible (and to be fair to the artists) we think it would be best to post all stories complete on DreamWidth with the art included. Stories would be accessed via the MarauderBigBang site and all traffic would be directed through that.

Comments, however, can be directed anywhere (see last year's rs_games as an example.) One suggestion one to allow authors to make a comment post on their own journal and direct the comments back there. To the readers it would be the same as commenting on the MarauderBigBang site (which would be linked from DW), but to the author it would give them a chance to have their comments all in one place. In fact, they could even post their story and lock it until the end of the fest and have ALL their comments linked to the same spot at the end of the story.

But the question becomes: how do the artists feel? Would you rather have people comment on your art on a community site? Would it bother you to have your work posted on someone's personal journal? Would you mind going to someone else's journal to read your comments? Or would you prefer two links at the end of the story - one for art and the other for the story?

Nothing is set in stone here, we are just looking for input and, again, our goal is to make sure that everyone - readers, artists, and authors - have the best experience possible.

Please take a moment to fill out the following poll. We'd like to get your answers by 11:59PM on Tuesday, August 31st if possible. Thanks!

PS For the record, <lj user="Brighty18"> has no personal opinion on this other than, as a mod, she wants the fest to run well and the art and stories to be posted together.




Poll #1611665 Posting

As of now we are planning on posting the stories and art together on DreamWidth, but accessed via the MarauderBigBang site. However, we can have the comments directed virtually anywhere. If possible, where would you like to see comments directed:

The MarauderBigBang site so everyone can see them.
5(50.0%)
To the author's journal (which is the preferred method for them.) The links would lead right there, so it would be easy to find.
2(20.0%)
Two separate links, one to your journal and one to the author's journal. This would allow readers to comment to both, but might reduce the number of comments.
2(20.0%)
Don't know; don't care.
1(10.0%)
Other
0(0.0%)

Would you have any objections to comments to your art being posted on an author's individual journal?

Yes!
1(12.5%)
No, not really.
4(50.0%)
Sort-of. Please explain.
3(37.5%)

Although the stories will be on DW, authors might want to re-post to their own journal. Do you have any objections to your art appearing on someone else's journal?

Yes!
0(0.0%)
No, not really.
7(87.5%)
Sort-of. Please explain.
1(12.5%)
Comments 
28th-Aug-2010 01:01 am (UTC)
Okay, so looking at the poll results, I seem to be one of the lone voices of dissent... but here's the thing about posting solely on the author's journal...

I understand the author's wish to have things more convenient to them, but even though I'm creating art for something someone else wrote, it is still my art and it shouldn't be treated as an afterthought instead of complimentary or just-as-important piece.

I'm fine with the two link system. It's worked in other Big Bangs - so the author can host their fic and the artist can host their art in their own respective places. But I don't agree that if the author's would rather receive comments to their own journals and have the convenience of notifications, that I as an artist should still have to go looking through someone else's internet space to find feedback for what I've created.

Furthermore, what I've created is mine. And while I don't think I'd have a problem if my author asked if they could double post my art into their fic entry, I should still have the ability to post my creation in my space and have feedback given directly to me, or have it contained in an equal space where the fic, art, author, and artist are all included together.
28th-Aug-2010 01:10 am (UTC)
I don't think the results have enough people responding yet to really say anything about popular opinions yet, but this is really my main concern. As much as I understand why author's would like greater convenience, should it really be at the expense of the artist's convenience? I know that I am putting a great deal of time and energy into my art, so I would like to have some ability to receive feedback, without having to sift through someone else's journal. And if you want email notifications, can't you just track the comments? It's what I've done on the maraudersartists threads that I'm on.
28th-Aug-2010 01:20 am (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to respond to this. This is precisely the sort of feedback we wanted. And, no, the author's wishes in no way take precedence to the artists. Please be assured of that!

And you are exactly correct about tracking comments.


Were we to go with the two-link system (in which the story would be posted complete on neutral space with links at the end to your journal and the author's journal), would that be acceptable to you? In other words, at the end of the complete story, there would be a link to "Comment on art" and a link to "Comment on the story" and readers could follow both or either. That way you could also post the art to your own journal.

PS. Would you mind if I (brighty18) re-posted your in my own journal sometime? I would not do so without permission.
28th-Aug-2010 01:56 am (UTC)
I think the two-link system would work well to separate out art and story comments. I don't think anyone intends to take an author's wishes over an artists, but I know it could happen unintentionally, especially with everyone being so busy. I'm sure everyone's concerns will be met, too. (I mean, you're all on top of things, with a poll and everything! It's very exciting. ^^ )

PS. I would love if you reposted my art with your story on your own journal! (with permission/citation whatever we call it now) Afterall, I do want my art shared and enjoyed (or why else would I do it?) Yours is Wicked, yes? I'm enjoying that one so far. although the green skin is throwing me for silly loops. And the pink robes. And frills. ... mwa ha ha
1st-Sep-2010 12:35 pm (UTC)
Yay! And, yeah, that's me. And I DO realize it was a coloring nightmare. Sorry!
28th-Aug-2010 01:32 am (UTC) - I just wrote a long reply and it disappeared. I hate LJ sometimes.
Anyway, thank you for responding to this! It was exactly the sort of thing that we needed to know. That's why we asked.

And please do not despair: not everyone has voted that the tide may soon change.

I understand the author's wish to have things more convenient to them, but even though I'm creating art for sowmething someone else wrote, it is still my art and it shouldn't be treated as an afterthought instead of complimentary or just-as-important piece.
Your art is most certainly NOT an afterthought! This is a collaborative effort and we want to give everyone the best experience possible. That is why we posted this - to try to give everyone a voice.


Furthermore, what I've created is mine. And while I don't think I'd have a problem if my author asked if they could double post my art into their fic entry, I should still have the ability to post my creation in my space and have feedback given directly to me, or have it contained in an equal space where the fic, art, author, and artist are all included together.
Please be assured that we would NEVER allow an author to re-post your work without your permission!


I'm fine with the two link system. It's worked in other Big Bangs - so the author can host their fic and the artist can host their art in their own respective places. But I don't agree that if the author's would rather receive comments to their own journals and have the convenience of notifications, that I as an artist should still have to go looking through someone else's internet space to find feedback for what I've created.
I totally understand about not wanting to search someone else's internet space. That makes perfect sense. I'll openly admit that none of the big bangs I've participated in personally had the art and stories posted separately, but I've seen it done. Honestly, as a reader, I find it difficult and I know that at least one artist who is participating in this fest has specifically requested that the art and fic be posted together.


Were we to go with the two-link system at the end of a DW post (in which the story would be posted complete on neutral space with links at the end to your journal and the author's journal), would that be acceptable to you? In other words, at the end of the complete story, there would be a link to "Comment on art" and a link to "Comment on the story" and readers could follow both or either. That way you could also post the art to your own journal.
28th-Aug-2010 02:27 am (UTC)
Erm, just giving my two cents on the matter:
Wouldn't it be easier for everyone (the mods included) if all the comments ended up in the MBB comms (and not individual journals)? That's pretty much how most of the fests I took part in was done. It'll be fair for both the artist and the writer, imo. You know that it's not unheard of for people to comment on the fic only, or the art only, and I think, for the sake of the duality of the fic/art combo, it'll be best to have ALL comments in one place, without circumstances favouring either the writer or the artist. Does that make sense?
28th-Aug-2010 07:27 pm (UTC) - Good points
Honestly, it would be far easier on the mods, but many authors feel very strongly about having everything on their own journals. Also, one story is like 86,000 words and the author really wants it posted in chapters. However, if she does that she may have to do it on her own journal because, frankly, I don't have time for like eleven extra posts.

I don't want to favor either side, so as much input as the artists can give would be excellent.
28th-Aug-2010 03:52 am (UTC)
I'd prefer the comments to my art be in either a neutral space (such as MBB) or directed to my journal, if only for ease of convenience. I'd just want feedback, really, and if it's decided that the comments about the art are to only be on the author's individual journal, it's not that big of a deal to me, as I figure I can always track comments and receive notifications that way. I would just insist that the authors always leave the entry public in such an instance.
28th-Aug-2010 07:27 pm (UTC)
Good point. Thanks!
28th-Aug-2010 12:32 pm (UTC)
Can't we somehow get one link that leads to a thread in this community or something?
I think it's best to keep all the comments in one place and that's also easier for everyone who wants to leave a comment (because I know I would get too lazy to click all the separate links or get confused with the amount of them, lol). But why not make this one place where all the comments come together a neutral one instead of a personal journal?
28th-Aug-2010 07:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, we can do that - but many people feel strongly that they want comments/stories on their own journal.

We could very easily have the access point and comments on the MBB site and simply have people click the link to DW and then click back to the MBB site to comment. This is what rs_games did last year and it worked well. The DW part is important because you can post (most) stories whole and include the art as well. They layout is clean and easy to read and it just looks nice.
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